Here is a form letter about how to calculate extraction efficiency when mashing. The formula that most people seem to use is: Extraction=[ ( OG-1.000 ) * 1000 * Vol ] / pounds of grain used For example, if you made 5 gal of 1.050 wort with 10 pounds of grain: Ex = [ ( 1.050 - 1.000 ) * 1000 * 5 ] / 10 = 25 points gal / pound (This would not be very good. 32+ is quite good, 29-31 is OK, etc.) This method is oversimplified, however, because it assumes that all grain has the same expected extract. You can find tables of expected extract for various grains, for example in Miller's book. For example, 2-Row has an expected extract of 35 points gals / pound; for crystal the number is 24. How do you use these numbers? For each type of grain you add the product of the amount of that type of grain and its expected extract. This gives you the total extract you expect. For example, if you used 10 pounds of 2 row and a pound of crystal, you would expect 10*35+1*24=374 points. In 5 gallons this would give you an OG of 374/5=75 --> 1.075 if you got 100% yield (you won't). If you in fact got 1.055, you would know that your efficiency is about 55/75=73%. (Mine are usually about 85-90%.) This tends to be pretty constant and lets you plan subsequent batches accordingly. For example, if you wanted to make 5 gallons of 1.060 wort, you would need 300 points of extract. If you normally get 85% efficiency, you would need to plan on 300/.85=353 points of theoretical extract. If you had a recipe that you wanted to copy, you could use the same amount of specialty malts specified in the recipe and increase or decrease the amount of pale malt until the theoretical extract was 353. This strategy can also be used for partial mash beers. Malt extract, and other sugar sources, have expected extracts. Liquid malt's extract is 35-38 and dry's is 45. The yield of these is always 100% so these need to be figured separately. Using the above example, if you wanted to use liquid malt extract in place of half of the pale malt, you could figure that your theoretical extract as 5*35+1*24=199. If you typically get 90% yield, you should get ~180 points of extract from the grains. Since the desired total was 300, you need 120 more. This is 120/36=3.3 pounds of typical liquid extract. Table of typical possible extracts (and colors just for fun) 2-row 35 1.5-3 6-row 33 1-2 Vienna 33 3-7 Munich 33 5-20 Cara-Pils 30 1-10 Crystal (caramel)24 10-120 Chocolate 24 350-400 Black Patent 24 450-550 Roasted Barley 24 500-550 Special B 24 200-2?? Malted Wheat 38 1-2 Torrefied Barley 30 <1 Torrefied Corn/ 40 <1 Rice Sucrose 45 <1 Glucose 40 <1 Honey ~35 <1 Malt Extract,Liq~36 ? " " Dry~45 ? Jeremy Bergsman jeremybb@leland.stanford.edu